RRSP facts you must remember this year and beyond!

RRSP facts you must remember this year and beyond!

To help you make the most of your Registered Retirement Savings Plan (RRSP) before the March 2, 2020 contribution deadline, I thought I would list some of my favourite RRSP facts for this tax year and beyond.

RRSP facts and tips for this year

  • You should know the March 2, 2020 RRSP deadline is just around the corner. What does that mean?  March 2, 2020 is the deadline for contributing to an RRSP for the 2019 tax yearI intend to make one more RRSP contribution myself in the coming weeks to ensure my RRSP is maxed out once again with contribution room. 

If you’re already lucky enough to have maxed out your RRSP and Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA), read up on how to invest in a taxable account here.

  • Are you stressed about the RRSP contribution deadline? Change your approach. As part of your final contributions for this tax year, I encourage you to set up automatic contributions for this coming year. 

I believe this is a better way to budget. Set up RRSP and/or TFSA contributions like any other bill payment on a monthly basis. This way, you never miss the money. 

  • What’s your RRSP contribution limit? I know mine for the past tax year thanks to my most recent Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) Notice of Assessment. The answer for you might be 18% of your earned income. This includes employment income, net rental income, self-employed income and more. So, unless you’re a member of a workplace pension plan or profit sharing plan then your RRSP contribution room should be up to 18% of your earned income (not adjusted for these pensions above) to a maximum annual contribution amount.
  • Is there really a maximum contribution amount? You bet. CRA keeps tabs on that too! Read on…
  1. The total amount you can contribute to your RRSP each year is made up of your contribution limit for the current year plus any “carry-forward” contribution room from previous years.
  2. For 2020, your contribution will be limited to 18% of your 2019 earned income, to a maximum of $27,230 plus any carry-forward contribution room that you may have. You already know if you have a company pension plan or profit sharing plan your RRSP contribution limit is reduced. This is my case actually.
  3. Both your annual contribution limit and any carry-forward contribution room are shown on your notice of assessment.

Other RRSP facts and tips in any year

  • An RRSP is an account. So, please stop saying “I have to buy RRSPs!”
  • Contributions to an RRSP are tax deductible. This means you can use these tax deductions to reduce your taxable income.
  • Some Canadians shouldn’t use an RRSP (their income may not be high enough (yet) to reap the key benefits of this account). Why do I say that???

1. RRSPs are highly effective for Canadians who will be in a lower tax bracket in retirement versus their contribution years. This means, there are really two great tax benefits that RRSPs provide Canadian investors:

  • a tax deduction from your contribution, and
  • tax-deferred growth.

2.The bottom line for any RRSP vs. TFSA investing debate can be summarized in one sentence instead of reading 43,129 articles every year on this subject:

if you tend to spend your RRSP-generated tax refund every year, then maximizing contributions to your TFSAs probably makes FAR more sense.

  • Contributions to an RRSP for the current tax year do not always have to be made in February – see above – every month can be “RRSP season” with automatic, monthly contributions. That’s what I do and I encourage you to do the same. 
  • There are penalties if you over-contribute to your RRSP although a small exemption exists.
  • Unused RRSP contribution room can be carried forward, for future tax deductions in future tax years.
  • After you select investments for the account, the income you earn on those investments inside the RRSP are tax exempt, as long as money stays in the account. Thanks to years of investing inside our RRSPs, we’re approaching a very healthy portfolio value. We have a lofty goal of realizing a 7-figure portfolio and I hope to share an update on that soon!!!

$1 million

…did someone say you have $1 million invested..???

  • A common type of RRSP is an individual RRSP, registered in the name of the person contributing to it.  There are also spousal RRSPs and group RRSPs.
  • RRSPs can be managed by a professional money manager but you can do-it-yourself (self-directed) – the latter is what I do!

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  • If one spouse is in a different tax bracket than his/her partner, RRSP contributions can be used to lower the total amount of income taxes a couple must pay (income splitting).
  • You’re not as rich as you think:  when you take money out of the account, you have to pay tax. Some exceptions apply: RRSPs can be used for home purchases and education and there are programs associated with the RRSP for this. See below!
  • There are rules and age restrictions when you must collapse the account.
  • Withholding taxes apply to RRSP withdrawals.
  • If you’re taking money out of your RRSP before you retire, you’re immediately going to pay a withholding tax (with some exceptions):
  1. If you take up to $5,000, you’re going to pay 10%.
  2. If withdrawals are between $5,000 and $15,000, the financial institution will hold back 20%.
  3. If you withdraw more than $15,000, 30% is held back.
  • You have to report the amount you take out on your tax return as income. At that time, you may have to pay more tax on the money — on top of the withholding tax. It depends on your total income and tax situation.

Other RRSP uses?

Like I mentioned above there are two programs you can use to take money out of an RRSP without incurring taxes – but be careful!

1.The Home Buyers’ Plan (HBP) allows you to take up to $35,000 out of your RRSP to put towards the down payment on your first home and you won’t be taxed on it. That’s the good news. The bad news?  You’ll have to pay that back into your RRSP over the next 15 years.

Actually, thanks to the TFSA, I don’t think you need to use the RRSP Home Buyers’ Plan any longer.

2.The Lifelong Learning Plan (LLP) allows you to take out up to $10,000 a year, or up to $20,000 in total each time you participate in the LLP to help pay for your or your spouse’s education. You can’t use it for your child’s education – this is where RESPs come into play.  You do have to pay back 10% per year for up to 10 years.

These are just some of the RRSP facts and uses you need to know!

The punchline – why RRSPs should matter to you

Again, as referenced above, there are two great tax benefits that RRSPs provide Canadian investors:

  1. a tax deduction from your contribution, and
  2. tax-deferred growth.

With your tax deduction, you can reduce the taxes you pay today.

With tax-deferred growth, investments in your RRSP can compound over time without being taxed as long as money made stays in the account.

Based on our long-term investment plans – we strive to maximize contributions to both RRSPs – mine and my wife’s. With one more monthly automatic contribution my RRSP will be completely out of contribution room now. My wife’s account still has some RRSP contribution room left. We hope to max out her account in the coming months.

RRSP “dos” and “don’ts” for 2020 

  1. Do use the RRSP to reduce your reduce your taxable income. If you’re in a high tax bracket, investing an in RRSP could help push you into a lower one. You’ll also receive a tax receipt based on the amount of money you contribute, which you should re-contribute.
  2. Don’t bother using the Home Buyers’ Plan. With so much TFSA contribution room available to every adult Canadian now, I see no reason why this plan should be used.
  3. Don’t consider the RRSP-generated tax refund as a financial windfall. It’s essentially a tax-deferred government loan to you.
  4. Don’t contribute to an RRSP if your earned income is less than $50,000. I think it makes far more sense to maximize contributions to your TFSA first. The TFSA is the perfect investing account for every Canadian, including those in lower tax brackets who will end up in a similar income bracket in retirement. The TFSA is also an ideal account for any investor who cannot or will not max out their RRSP contribution room.

I’ll continue to maximize contributions to my TFSA every year because…

  1. A final “don’t” from me: don’t bother with any RRSP loan. That’s generally a bad idea.  While a short-term loan to contribute to your RRSP might sound like a good idea – let’s face it – borrowing for investing is not generally a good idea for most of us. Especially if you have a large mortgage already or healthy car payments. I mean really, how much debt do you need to be in? Don’t dig yourself another hole. If you cannot afford to make regular RRSP contributions then you shouldn’t be thinking about an RRSP loan.

RRSP contributions can work wonders over time…

In closing, steady, monthly, automatic RRSP contributions into low-cost, diversified ETFs or a basket of dividend growth stocks can work absolute wonders over time.

Consider a 25-year-old that started with just $1,000 in their RRSP in that year. If they were to consistently sock away $500 per month for the next 35 years, at 7% average rate of return for 35 years, they would have a nearly a million dollar portfolio in their RRSP by age 60 for early retirement. 

RRSP age 25 to 60

My go-to RRSP calculator at Get Smarter About Money.

For many Canadians, to reap the BIG benefits of this tax-deferred account they should maximize contributions if they can; automate their contributions for as long as possible; keep their investment fees inside the account low; and avoid making their withdrawals for as long as possible.

That could be your portfolio value if you follow those guidelines.

Happy investing!

Mark

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56 Responses to "RRSP facts you must remember this year and beyond!"

  1. Hey Mark – i have a question for you. So for my 2019 tax year. My 2018 CRA NOA says i have $X of “Available contribution room for 2019”. So is my actual contribution room for 2019 this $X plus 18% of my 2019 earned income ($Y). So $X + $Y? or is it just $X based on what the 2018 NOA says? The wording used is confusing in all the stuff i have read. Thanks

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    1. If I understand your question my friend…your NOA should correctly identify all your available contribution room for the upcoming tax year.

      This means, any NOA statement you would have received in spring 2019 was up to date, at that time that statement was generated, for the entire 2019 tax year.

      That NOA could include any carried-forward RRSP contribution room as well.

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      1. Thanks Mark. I think I started overthinking it after I read some posts where it seemed it was my 2019 income and not 2018 that partly determined the room for 2019. So 2019 earnings determine 2020 amount and so on….

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        1. Yes, I replied to Fraser above since I probably wasn’t as clear as I could have been. Ultimately CRA does not know what you will or will not make for the coming year so your NOA will be a point in time, it will essentially highlight all available contribution room to date as determined by the proceeding tax filing year.

          So, any spring 2019 NOA sent back to you will highlight all RRSP available contribution room following your 2018 Jan – Dec. 2018 tax year filing.

          CRA can’t possibly know what you will or won’t make $$ from in the 2019 calendar year for that tax year.

          Personally, I would simply confirm with CRA what you intend to contribute if concerned and then max out the RRSP to that limit, if that makes sense of course for your situation (usually does for many Canadians!) and don’t worry too much beyond that.

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    2. I think it should be $x+$y…..your NOA only tells you the unused RSP room going forward…..CRA don’t know what your income for 2019 is so you can contribute 18% of 2019 income plus the unused room from your 2018 NOA.

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      1. Thanks Fraser. NOA reports unused to date RRSP contribution room. I should have mentioned that to be more clear.

        Correct in that CRA can’t know your earned income for 2019 tax year through December 2019 when they issue the 2019 spring NOA for the previous 2018 tax year.

        Could be helpful for ddivadus here, detailed reading though!
        https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/t4040/rrsps-other-registered-plans-retirement.html

        When in doubt, since CRA is not perfect, I would always call them and discuss.

        What I do FWIW is I always contribute to the RRSP room the CRA says I have available. I don’t worry about the difference between what I could contribute extra if my income were to rise. I try and keep things simple.

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  2. Help me understand why my RRSP account has not grown much over 33 years of maximizing contributions each year.
    I started at 23 yrs old maxing out my RRSP room annually, albeit I have a Gov’t work pension plan too. The first 20 years were invested in mutual funds with “financial advisor” Nesbitt Burns. A difficult year caused me to foolishly cash out $5k. For the last 13 years I have self directed with my bank’s online brokerage where I switched all those mutual funds to good Cdn dividend paying growth equities. I have not traded much within the account, only annually when it was time to contribute and purchase stocks. To date, the market value of this RRSP account is approximately $113,000. Now I’m retired at 55, no longer have employment rrsp contribution room and I’m collecting my work pension monthly. I do not understand why this account is so low. Maybe I’m not seeing the obvious.
    Ideas?

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    1. Couple of things come to mind. Your RRSP value will be based on how much you have contributed, your rate of return and how long the investments have been in the RRSP. In the former case, if you were getting a work pension, you may not have much additional RRSP contribution room remaining since the pension amount is deducted from your RRSP contribution room each year. If your pension plan is quite good, it could eliminate almost all your RRSP contribution room each year resulting in lower contribution rates. Also, in terms of rate of return, if your early success was impacted by poor investment choices, this would have a major impact on your total RRSP value today.

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      1. Fully agree. The biggest factors in realizing any major portfolio value are contributions, rate of return, and time. Low-fees also matter since it enables the rate of return in some cases over higher fee products.

        I know these three factors (contributions, RoR, and time) are critical since I see it in my own portfolio!
        Mark

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    2. Hey Bonnie,

      You seem to have done quite well despite any investment choices. I feel the biggest factors in realizing any major portfolio value:

      1. high contributions
      2. high rate of return (for investments), and
      3. time for contributions and rate of return to do their work.

      I think your decision to buy and hold (and/or keeping buy more over time) the top-stocks in CDN ETFs like XIU and XIC and VCN, etc. will be rewarded for income and growth. I could be wrong of course, but I strongly feel that way.

      Perhaps those funds using a “financial advisor” were high-fee products and/or your contributions were not that high?

      Ideally, at 7% or so RoR, money should double every 10 years.

      Happy investing to you as always,
      Mark

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    3. Bonnie: Fees probably hurt as well.
      If you have a solid Pension, consider using RRSP to bridge until CPP and OAS kick in. If you don’t, you will likely be withdrawing the RRSP/RRIF at the same tax level you stopped working at. I am in a similar situation as you with a medium RRSP/RRIF, and collecting pension. Enjoy that money. You could start withdrawing $500 per month and with a 4.5% growth rate, adjusted for 1% annual inflation your $113K should last at least 30 years. My RRSP/RRIF is also only invested in dividend growth stocks.

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  3. Hi Mark,
    I was trying to figure out how much to contribute per month to maximize the RRSP and TFSA for my family for this year alone. Wow! When you use the pre tax income to calculate it, there is not enough left over for comfortable life style. Now I admire you very much for doing that. It is a tough process.
    Do writing this blog helped you achieving the financial goals for you?

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    1. Well, I use a rule of thumb of ~ $500/month per TFSA to max that out. The contribution room should be at least $6k in 2021 for TFSA. Saving for that now!
      https://www.myownadvisor.ca/2020-financial-goals/

      In terms of our RRSP contributions, we set aside a fixed amount like a bill payment and make regular, monthly contributions to our RRSP accounts so that we strive to max out RRSP contribution room each year by the time tax season is here. We contribute at least a few hundred bucks to our RRSP accounts every month.

      In terms of the blog, for sure, the income from it helps a bit of saving and spending but to be perfectly honest, I don’t invest a penny of what this blog makes. All my TFSA and RRSP investing (maxed out accounts for both) is a product of my day-job.

      The blog income is not even minimum wage in terms of what I put into and it’s fun money to spend as I please.

      Cheers Bindhurani!
      Mark

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  4. Mark, curious to know your thoughts on converting an RRSP to a RIF at 60. Lots of articles out there saying you must do so by 71, but very little weighing the pros/cons of doing so earlier. Have my own thoughts, but I’d love to hear your opinion.

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    1. Hey Dave,

      Just wrote some comments back to JR on this one that likely apply to you as well. I have advised my parents to withdraw from their RRSPs throughout their 60s and early 70s to avoid having any large RRIF in order to smooth out taxes. Have a read on what I wrote to JR and let me know your thoughts.

      Cheers,
      Mark

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      1. Ok, thanks Mark. I don’t want to be running to the bank every 2 months to do a 2x5K (spouse and I) RRSP withdrawal. Converting a portion to a RIF make sense and seems to be a lot less maintenance. Thinking we’ll supplement those RIF withdrawals with non-registered account withdrawls to minimize taxes. I’ve read that RIF minimum withdrawals are not taxed. I assume that means only at withdrawl time, and that you may eventually have to pay some taxes when filing if you’re not planning carefully.

        Belize! Very nice. That’s not a typical destination from Ottawa. What resort are you staying at?

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        1. I think so Dave. I mean, you’ll have to run the numbers but I know my Dad recently converted his RRSP to RRIF and is enjoying not having to worry about timing any market by selling equities.

          His RRIF withdrawals are going to fund their new small cottage expenses and have some travel fun. Now is the time to really enjoy things I keep telling them! Life is short…

          RRIF min. withdrawals do not have any withholding taxes but it is income so you’ll need to enter that income on your tax return this year or in future years as income in the year you earned it.

          RRIF min. withdrawals can be a great way to see how you can best smooth out taxes if you have a sizable RRSP to draw down. At least this is what I’ve learned from others in their 50s and 60s doing this right now.

          Belize is VERY nice Dave. Highly recommend as I reply from the pool near the sea 🙂

          We’re at Twisted Palm Villas in San Pedro.
          Mark

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    2. As we plan to retire before 60 without any pension, we will depend on RRSP withdrawal to cover expenses. I did a little bit research on this. As I understand, you can convert part of your RRSP to RRIF any time. And the minimum withdrawal will apply only to your RRIF account. Meanwhile, you can transfer from RRSP to RRIF any time with any amount or in kind. As our accounts are with TD, one benefit is RRIF withdrawal won’t have any fees while RRSP withdrawal will have fees.

      So our plan is to convert part of the RRSP to RRIF once retired. As long as we keep the size of RRIF low, I do not see any cons with it.

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      1. Sounds like a good approach that will work for you May.

        The good thing is, this you know, you can convert any amount you want to a RRIF. It’s not all or none like others might believe. I think the key is to smooth out taxes to the extent possible.

        Mark

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      2. Correct on your understanding May. In my case I have an RRSP and I had a LIRA. The LIRA I converted to a LIF 3 years ago and take minimum withdrawals. My broker doesn’t charge for RRSP withdrawals so I have yet to convert any of this. I’m not sure if this has to go to a new RRIF or if it can move to my LIF. Doesn’t really matter. I also have a small amount of tax taken from the LIF withdrawal in addition to RRSP standard amountsas I prefer to not enter into installment territory.

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  5. Hi Dave,
    I am sure Mark is much wiser than I am and will have some sage advice, but I faced the same question when I was approximately 60 and retired. In the end, I decided to wait until I was required to RRIF my RRSP at age 71, and just withdraw the exact amount I needed from my RRSP each year until I turned 71. Some years, I withdrew more, and some years, nothing at all. I knew that once I converted my RRSP to a RRIF, the government would require me to withdraw a specific minimum amount, whether I needed it or not. WealthSimple advises: “If you are under the age of 71 and need income periodically (as opposed to, say, monthly), you’re usually better leaving your money in an RRSP and making the occasional withdrawal.” (https://www.wealthsimple.com/en-ca/learn/converting-rrsp-to-rrif#when_to_convert_a_rrsp_to_rrif)

    Another thing to remember is that your RRIF withdrawal amount can be based on the youngest spouse’s age if you are married. That can help your RRIF to last longer if you think you may live a long time and are worried about running out of income.

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    1. Interesting points JR.

      I’m certainly “not there” yet with my age (in my 40s) but I am helping my parents out now with their RRSP/RRIF.

      I have advised both of them because they have DB pensions to slowly withdraw from RRSP in their 60s and early 70s to smooth out taxes. This would effectively leave them with $0 money to convert to a RRIF.

      I actually wrote about this plan for them many years ago.
      https://www.myownadvisor.ca/cha-ching-cash-rrsp/

      “One common approach I hear financial experts write about is using up your non-registered money first and leaving RRSP withdrawals until the end. For some investors this makes no sense. If some investors wait to convert their hearty RRSP accounts into Registered Retirement Income Funds (RRIFs), based on RRIF minimum withdrawal requirements, they’ll pay more tax.”

      I have also advised them that if they don’t really need the $$ to spend from the RRSP withdrawals, then use that $$ to make contributions to their TFSAs and max out that account for tax-free growth as they get into their 80s. This way, even less tax to pay since only their pensions and CPP + OAS will be taxed once RRSP/RRIF are gone.

      Thoughts?
      Mark

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      1. In our case, roughly 75% of our savings are in RRSPs, 10% in TFSA’s , and 15% in non-registered. No DB pension. Given those ratios, it seems prudent to whittle away at the RRSP/RIF for a few years. So yes I would agree that leaving the RRSP withdrawals to the end doesn’t make sense in our case.

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        1. Sounds good Dave. I think I’m learning more and more that (depending on some circumstances of course…) most 50- and 60-somethings are better off withdrawing from their RRSPs in that age range; spending that money and also maxing out their TFSAs during that time as well.

          With the dawn of the TFSAs and now being able to have tens of thousands of dollars of tax-free money inside that account churning out income, it’s a HUGE benefit to any early retirees in converting tax-deferred money (RRSP) to tax-free money (TFSA) with they also have tax-efficient income as well (non-registered account).

          Thoughts? Does that align to you thinking?

          Cheers,
          Mark

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  6. Hi Dave;
    Great you are thinking about this. It is so important that you look at all your potential sources of retirement income going forward. I did that for us in five year increments and discovered we would end up in essentially the same tax bracket as when we contributed to RRSP once I accounted for Pension + CPP and OAS. Retired at 56 and have decided to convert all RRSP to RRIF and start winding it down early. Enjoy it while knees still work.

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    1. Gruff403, Congrats on retiring at 56. I’ll have to settle on 60 myself ( 6 more months to go! ). So far so good. No health issues, but one never knows for sure.🤞

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  7. Hi Mark. Tax-deferred growth in an RRSP will only be of benefit if your withdrawal (years down the road) is done at a lower tax rate than was the case at the time of contribution. In fact, in a margin account you will get tax credits on dividends, and pay tax on only half of your capital gains. You do not get these benefits in an RRSP. When you finally get to withdraw from the margin account, everything will tax-paid, whereas everything from the RRSP/RRIF will be taxable.

    Tell me I am wrong please! But as I see it the RRSP has its greatest benefits to young people, who can accumulate growing space through their earnings each year while in a low tax bracket, which they can use later when they are paying at a high rate. Another good use of the RRSP occurs when a person retires early (before CCP, OAS and other pensions kick in); an RRSP can then bridge the gap until more money is flowing, and at the lowest tax rate (or even zero). If you able to defer CPP and OAS income, so much the better. Blow the entire RRSP while you have the chance, especially if it is small.

    The TFSA is an entirely different animal, and should be started on the child’s 18th birthday. There are some limitations, but with a bit of forethought it is wonderfully flexible, Get it while its going; I can’t see the Liberals leaving this alone this for much longer; they have too many nicer ways to spend your money.

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    1. RRSP is still beneficial even with the marginal tax rate being the same as the initial amount for growth will be much higher. Let’s assume marginal tax rate of 50%, growth rate of 10%. One has $1000 before tax in RRSP, and withdraw one year later. Or pay tax on this $1K, also withdraw one year later.

      RRSP, you have $1000 * 1.1 * 0.5 = 550
      Taxable account, you have $500 + (500 * 0.1 * 0.75) = 537.5

      It’s the same with TFSA though in this case:

      TFSA, you have $500 + (500 * 0.1) = 550

      For higher income people, most likely marginal tax rate in retirement will be lower than before, so maxing out RRSP should be quite beneficial.

      However, if too much RRSP at year 71 and minimum RRIF withdrawal caused OAS clawback, it would be a different story. Personally, I foresee we will depend on RRSP withdrawl only for more than 10 years and shouldn’t have too much RRIF so I will not worry about it. If the market will be really nice to us and we actually encounter this problem, well, not a bad problem to have anyway.

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    2. Another point is when contributing to RRSP, the benefits one gets is on the marginal tax rate, but when withdrawing, the tax rate on withdrawal will be the average tax rate. In BC, let’s say the annual income is $60K, the marginal rate is 28%, and the next tax bracket is 20%. If my annual income of $60K after retirement is all from RRSP, then the average tax rate is 17.7%.

      I would imagine only in very rare cases, you pay a higher tax rate on the money you withdraw than the tax rate on the money you put into RRSP.

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    3. You are wrong on the first point as May has illustrated. It seems to be a somewhat common misconception.

      Using the same tax rates the outcome for the TFSA and the RRSP are identical. If your RRSP withdrawal is done at a lower tax rate than at time of contribution your outcome then the outcome will actually be superior to the TFSA. This seems to be relatively common with retired people I know and read about. (Higher working income vs lower retirement income, which is also my personal situation)

      RE margin acct comparison I think you would need to provide an example of a superior outcome since you seem to ignoring a larger starting pile with RRSP due to tax refund and growth tax free on that while inside the acct.

      I agree the TFSA is very flexible. Trouble is thats also its potential downfall for plenty of undisciplined people that have easy access to raiding if often which impairs their long term retirement savings. For disciplined investors its great.

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        1. Absolutely discipline is certainly vital for long term successful investing and applies to all accounts.

          However the point I think that’s generally accepted is the TFSA has more potential for abuse with investors that are undisciplined, due to the fact it does not have the same “penalties” involved with early (working years) withdrawals as RRSPs or even unregistered for that matter. Although governments that open up silly things like borrowing from RRSPs (retirement plan) for homes also do harm likewise.

          Bottom line to me its fantastic to have more tax beneficial investing account options and room created. Its a shame stats show us there isn’t strong enough uptake on them although the TFSA is definitely winning. I wonder what the future brings for all these accounts etc with increasing government spending appetities and with it becoming more fashionable in society to let someone else worry about their financial retirement future. Good thing you and your site are trying to do something about that!

          There is little to no chance I’m going to miss building up my TFSA from registered withdrawals when its advantageous at very least until govt pension benefits start, in an effort to tax smooth. My bias is neutral on both accounts after having used RRSPs and TFSAs in both accumulation and withdrawal stages.

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          1. Fair…as I type this with red wine in hand after a day at the Belizean beach 🙂

            “Although governments that open up silly things like borrowing from RRSPs (retirement plan) for homes also do harm likewise.”

            The reason why they open up these programs is they know many Canadian will raid their RRSP in doing so, and therefore, not maximize their own tax-deferred savings because of it. Ugh, these boutique programs are annoying. Then again, I never will use them. I hope others consider the same but alas it is their money and and at least the LLP is far better than HBP in IMO.

            “I wonder what the future brings for all these accounts etc with increasing government spending…”

            Not good. Our generation (GenX) and the next will pay for it severely I think.

            I’m just trying to do my part since I hope I can afford a Belize or two every year. That way, I will know I saved enough 🙂

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          2. Lol, I’m typing this at a Nova Scotia beach…but it has ice and snow on it!

            Yes, boutique programs are bad. I think the main reason governments come up with them is for political gain.
            Some Canadians will raid their RRSPs or any savings accounts no matter what, but putting incentives out there to do it makes it worse. Retirement savings go down, house prices go up and affordability goes down. Monkeying to make it easier to finance and leverage more……= Dumb. Its unfortunate but in some markets young people just can’t expect to own a home now, at least until there is a correction.

            I think it will affect numerous generations including me as I hope to be on this earth another 30 years plus. The people paying will be those who have.

            Ha, I know some think I’m having a “hey boomer” moment. Whatever!!

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            1. Well said. We’re aligned on our thinking on the boutique program crap. Another example of the imperative need to simply the tax code. Alas, it might not happen in my lifetime.

              Can always hope.

              Time for a morning Belize rum punch!!

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    4. Not wrong Doug…but very difficult to forecast the financial future including tax rates!

      Therefore, unless you are or will be within a low-income bracket for many decades on end, I would advise CDNs at least consider using the RRSP to get that compounding power going…

      “The TFSA is an entirely different animal, and should be started on the child’s 18th birthday.”

      Fully agree and have maxed out my TFSA every year since Day 1 as an investment account. Happy to see it well into the 6-figures now.

      Thanks for your detailed comment.

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  8. It is heartening to see so much interest in a discussion around RRSPs and saving in general. My wife and I always made it a priority to max out both RRSP and TFSA contributions annually.

    If you are able, doing this early in the year is far preferable to later in the year … this extends the compounding period (I also like the idea of automating the process, but if you are fortunate enough to be able to max out quicker, then quicker is better). I fully agree with the concept of trying to maximize the return you get on your invested capital, but only within you risk tolerance. I don’t like the idea of chasing higher returns if it takes you into an investment profile that you are not comfortable with or one that is inappropriate for the intended use of the capital. This is always a balancing act, and while timing the market is not possible and not something that should be attempted, the markets are relatively expensive currently due to a long period of relatively strong returns. That doesn’t mean you should stay away from the market, just that you should stay within a well thought-out asset allocation strategy appropriate to your circumstances. If you are looking to increase your returns, the first place you should focus, in my humble opinion, is on managing the fees embedded in any managed products you include in your portfolio. Over a long term investment horizon (which is how you should likely view your RRSP and TFSA account) minimizing fees can make a huge improvement on total returns. Take a look at Beat The Bank, or Larry Bates website, if you are interested in the impact fees can have.

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    1. Big fan of Larry Bates book and your points are excellent yourself Larry:

      “If you are looking to increase your returns, the first place you should focus, in my humble opinion, is on managing the fees embedded in any managed products you include in your portfolio. Over a long term investment horizon (which is how you should likely view your RRSP and TFSA account) minimizing fees can make a huge improvement on total returns.”

      I’ve been a DIY investor for a decade + now and I can’t imagine how much fees would have eaten into my juicy portfolio if I maintained high-fee products. I shudder at the thought!!

      Mark

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  9. haha nice post mark. All solid points until the last one.

    Dont use a loan for rrsp contributions. I literally just did that. You can read about it on my newest post.

    I saw I was getting 6k back so used a loan and put that 6k in b4 march 2nd. I’ll get roughly 1800 for doing that and will most likely repay it within a month once I get our return. Why would that be a bad thing?

    cheers

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    1. I will check that out Rob. You might be in the rare case whereby your interest costs are minimal and it might make sense getting that money working for you. I doubt many folks have the same financial discipline 🙂

      Will check out and link to in a future Weekend Reading!
      Mark

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  10. Gruff403,

    You are absolutely right that fees from mutual funds choked any growth for 20 years. Once I started self directing with my brokerage in 2007 invested in dividend growth stocks only, the portfolio took off.

    My monthly pension is $3400 net and I will have to see what my 2019 tax return results are as it’s my first year of retirement income. My brokerage charges $50 for each RRSP withdrawal so I was thinking of deregistering $5k annually lump sum and see what happens. Should be ok because my dividends are approximately $5300 annually. Pension will be decreased at 60 and again at 65. I’ve never worried more about money as much as this 1st year of retirement!!! Maybe because I don’t want to have to go back to work…lol. 

    Thanks for your thoughts Gruff! 

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    1. Convert part of your RRSP into RRIF. Transfer $5000 dividends from your RRSP to RRIF at the end of year , then withdrawal it from RRIF. This way you don’t need to pay the $50 withdrawal fee.

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  11. Great points there Mark!

    I’ve personally made it a habit to take the refund I get from my RRSP contributions to reinvest right back into the RRSP account to maintain the tax advantage of deduction now, pay tax later.

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  12. Hi
    I stopped contributing to my rrsp 21 years ago. At that tint, it was worth 123k. Today it is worth 1.05 m. Average return, I am guessing. I am happy it is there now. It cash flow 52k a year in div. biggest mistake I ever made, reaching for yield

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  13. Hi,

    I have U.S stocks (U.S Dollars) in a non-registered account and if I wish to move these funds to my RRSP, would that mean I have to pay taxes? Any advice on how to go about this?

    Thanks

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      1. Thank you for the information.

        So, it may be wiser to transfer stocks with “capital losses” than “capital gains”, since that wouldn’t require you to pay taxes on the gains. I understand that you can’t claim your”capital losses” but it still seems the ideal way to go.

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        1. Yes, that is an option certainly if you want to avoid paying any capital gains, sell at a very slight loss. Keep your winners running in your taxable account since capital gains is an efficient form of taxation overall.

          Again, not investing advice, just things to think about 🙂

          All the best Sam.
          Mark

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