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My online conversation with Barry, the dividend-investor millionaire

October 2nd, 2011

A few years ago, I read an excellent Million Dollar Journey (MDJ) article about a 60-year-old with lots of cash but no portfolio.   Like I did after reading many MDJ blogposts, I left a comment.  Due to the phenomenal traffic MDJ receives, I was just one of many comments for this particular post, which was nothing new.  Million Dollar Journey is one of the top personal finance and investing blogs in this country with over 15,000 dedicated readers!  However, in looking through the comments, I stumbled upon a few left by “Barry” who was also close to 60 at the time.  I wrote a few questions to Barry and he was nice enough to write back, often.  I was just getting more into dividend-investing at the time and Barry’s comments and responses were inspiring to me back then.  

For today’s post, I thought I’d share some content from MDJ (Thanks Frugal Trader) and my online conversation with Barry, the dividend-investor millionaire.

Barry, if you’re out there, still reading Million Dollar Journey or other quality financial blogs maybe you can make some time to check out my blog and simply say hello.  You’ve encouraged me to take a stronger grip on my investments - I owe you a big thanks for that!

 

Barry:

I’m 56, married and draw an income from a portfolio which at time of switch to a DIY account had $1,164,000. I bought 30% (12 in total) “perpetual discount” preferred (stocks) from CDN banks and insurers. 35% went into 11 bluest of the blue chip dividend stocks … plus RioCan REIT and Encana. Bought 50 grand of XCB Cdn Corporate Bond Index.

Based on his portfolio, Barry had a dividend income of $47,000 with 35% cash, cash-in-waiting for another market dip to buy more dividend-paying stocks.  He said his $47,000 income was “virtually tax free” in BC thanks to the federal and provincial dividend tax credit.”

Needless to say, that got my attention:  $47,000 virtually tax free income???

 

Mark in Nepean (now My Own Advisor):

Barry, just from curiosity, what are your “bluest” of blue chips you speak of?   How much did you have to invest to make your $47 K/year income?

I told Barry I was about 30 years away from retirement, but that certainly didn’t mean I didn’t want to retire much earlier than that.

 

Barry wrote back and informed me he had a dividend-stock portfolio of about $770,000.  He owned:

  • Banks:  Bank of Nova Scotia, TD, Royal Bank and Bank of Montreal.
  • One Insurance Company: Power Financial.
  • Utilities:  Atco, Canadian Utilities, Fortis, Emera.
  • Pipelines:  Enbridge and Trans Canada Corp.

He also held RioCan REIT (for their strong distributions), Encana (as his growth investment), Metro and Canadian National Railway (CNR).   He said you could dispute how “blue” these blue-chip companies were but I think his results speak for themselves.   Barry said “I don’t own income trusts or mutual funds” and instead stays with tax efficient dividend-paying stocks with a history of raising their dividends.  Barry went on to state his preference to Canadian banks and resources in general:  “Canada is today well positioned to save our financial sector if the case was necessary but compared to other countries we are not in the same pickle … and with every resource the world (read China and India) wants.  The future looks fantastic when we get over the multi-year deleveraging which will keep the stock market in a up and down “range bound market” for … god knows how long.”

 

Mark in Nepean (now My Own Advisor):

Thanked Barry for his insight on his (bluest) “chips”.   I told him this was the year to finally and fully get out of my high-priced equity mutual funds and instead into DRIPs of great Canadian companies.   I told him I owned Enbridge already and was looking to make a significant contribution (for me at least) into Bank of Montreal.   I told him I was hopeful to follow the same investing path he did since making $47,000 in nearly tax-free income seemed pretty comfortable to me.

 

Barry:

He wrote me back and wished me well.  He said “you’ll make plenty of “mistakes” along the way, he still does but offered words of wisdom about ”patience and learning to understand what you can tolerate as you will experience a “sure thing” turning sour momentarily.”   His words that followed now seem very prophetic now that I type them:

We are going through an ongoing disruptive multi-year correction of bad habits accumulated over the past 20 some odd years. This will reflect in the stock market. There will also be times when certain stocks or sectors will become  sexy and skyrocket while yours will dawdle. As long as those dividends keep coming this won’t matter very much as eventually – if the stock represents true long term value in price – it will rise. The tortoise wins the race.”

Barry comments got even better…he said:

“You will also hear a lot of talking heads, elite members of the chattering class on TV, spout all kinds of well honed arguments as to why oil will reach 1000 dollars a barrel, or else the Dow is headed to 36000 or 1000, or else Gold is going to $2000, or inflation is going to make the seventies like a tea party, or we’re headed to a Depression. It ultimately ends as white noise because nobody knows, only believes. What you have to figure out is how to find the best way to avert a loss of income in case any of the above may be true.”

Barry’s answer for avoiding market risk in the past is the same for his future - a diversified basket of dividend-paying stocks that are held through all types of market cycles.

Not everyone needs to invest like Barry.  Dividend-paying stocks and dividend investing is not for everyone.  There are other ways to invest, ways that involve less risk and much less active management.  With dividend-investing, risks go beyond companies that rise and fall.   Dividends alone don’t need to be chased, something Canadian Capitalist reminded us of last week.  However this dividend-investing approach, when well-executed with companies bought and held that have a proven history of payment in good times and bad, can make for a very rewarding retirement journey for investors.  I’m slowly working on my own, thanks to Barry, excellent sites to learn from like Million Dollar Journey and savvy DIY investors who readily contribute their knowledge and experience with investing, dividend-paying stocks or any strategy they prefer.  

A special thanks to Frugal Trader who supported this post (with permission of content leveraged from his site).  Your blog Frugal Trader continues to be informative resource to many DIY investors.   No wonder you have 15,000 readers!  Barry and I included, of course :)

As always, share your comments!   I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks for reading and sharing this article.
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  1. Be’en
    October 4th, 2011 at 00:50 | #1

    What are “perpetual discount” preferred stocks? How do they work? Do you buy them on TSX through a discount broker?

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:28 | #2

      @Be’en,

      I think Barry, and I could be wrong here, was just speaking about the preferred shares – Barry feels he’s getting a perpetual discounts by owning them. I’m guessing Barry feels preferreds are better than common stock, since preferreds must be paid out before dividends to common shareholders, and based on the structure of preferreds, you get both debt (fixed dividends) and equity (potential appreciation). Some preferreds, as I understand them, may have a convertibility feature into common stock – maybe this is the discount he is talking about here.

      To be honest Be’en, I didn’t think too much about Barry’s use of terminology here – I more understood the term preferred vs. perpetual discounts. If you find out what these are, if these things exists, we’ll both be wiser! :)

  2. October 3rd, 2011 at 23:42 | #3

    You know you’ve had an impact on the personal finance blogosphere when your blog is mentioned twice on the same day by two other solid blogs (MOA & Retire Happy).

    MDJ is a great blog indeed and he’s a veteran in the game! I’ve been following for so long that I can’t pinpoint the exact year I started following.

    Nice post MOA. I think it provides readers a sense of inspiration when it comes to harnessing the power of dividend investing.

    Had Barry not incorporated such an investment strategy, he would likely be drawing on his principle right now, evaporating his hard earned dollars one chunk at a time. Instead, he’s probably sipping on pina coladas and living the dream, while maintaining some interesting estate planning options.

    Great post! Dividends 4 life ;
    TWC

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:35 | #4

      @TWC,

      MDJ is great, followed it for years and after reading it for years, it was really where I got the idea to start my own blog. Took me a couple of years, but here I am!

      Barry is likely sitting pretty now, not that he wasn’t sitting pretty with $47 K per year in virtually tax-free income before!

      Thanks for your comment, as always.

  3. Elemag
    October 3rd, 2011 at 21:26 | #5

    Some precious and timeless words of advice- that’s what Barry had offered you and looks like you’ve used them well. Sometimes, I contemplate about the daily madness of the markets- going up, going down, and I tell myself that if one steps to the side and let time, reason and patience take over, he or she would reach their financial destination, and most likely will reach it on time.

    It’s always great to receive the gift of such counsel and opinion, such as Barry’s. And then, in times like these to go back and draw courage, confidence and discipline from them. Thank you for sharing with us, Mark!

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:37 | #6

      @Elemag,

      Very well said!

      I look to these posts from a few years back to draw exactly what you said, some courage, confidence, patience and understanding that things will always be unstable, and staying with my investment plan will win the day.

      Thanks for your comment! You always have something positive to say!

  4. October 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 | #7

    I remember that article! It was good (like all of MDJ posts).

    How very prophetic of Barry- I almost got shivers down my spine reading it! I have “learned my lesson” too and made many mistakes along the way, and I think that’s probably what we all do and need to do. Impressive income though, he’s probably making even more now!

    I got interested in personal finance from MDJ too! I think we all need to do an MDJ fan club!!

    He is so successful yet he remains anonymous, and as many have talked from the #FINCON11 twitter thread, you don’t necessarily have to be non-anonymous to be successful as he is a prime example :)

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:43 | #8

      @Y&T,

      I know, pretty cool what Barry said eh? I’m convinced he knows what he’s talking about.

      Who doesn’t follow MDJ? :)

      He emailed me to say he was thinking of going to Canadian conference in TO next fall, which would be great, but we might have to have a masquerade ball for him!

  5. October 3rd, 2011 at 00:13 | #9

    You were Mark in Nepean? Wow, I remember that name from the comments. I must have read every article on MDJ before starting Boomer & Echo. I wonder how many other Canadian PF bloggers would say the same? I commented on the posts quite a bit too…under a different name ;)

    I don’t recall Barry specifically, but I do remember an eccentric guy named JR that would post a lot on the stock markets and dividend investing. No wonder all the indexers think dividend investors are crazy.

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:45 | #10

      @Boomer & Echo,

      Yup, that was me! I think many of us “newer” bloggers got inspired by MDJ, I know I did.

      Your comment about JR was funny. I don’t think all indexers think dividend investors are nuts, only Dan from Canadian Couch Potato! ;) Just kidding of course Dan, if you read this.

  6. October 2nd, 2011 at 22:15 | #11

    I am a big fan of MDJ as well, in fact that was the original site I read that got me started into personal finance!

    Was Barry at all concerned that his holdings were so narrowly focused on the Canadian market? Obviously those businesses are very diversified, so it might not be an issue at all, I just wondered how he seen it.

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:49 | #12

      @MUM,

      I hear ya, I still love his site. FrugalTrader definitely inspired me.

      You’ve got a good question to Barry, if he was concerned with the home bias. Based on his dividend income, I would say no but maybe he had more holdings? His portfolio is pretty diversified here at home though.

  7. October 2nd, 2011 at 18:24 | #13

    Wow, $47k in dividend income? It’ll be a long way off before I start earning that kind of passive income.

    It sounds like Barry has a great head on his shoulders. I agree with him on the “white noise” If anyone could tell the future, they wouldn’t be on the news trying to earn some face time.

    Great stuff Mark!

    • October 4th, 2011 at 21:51 | #14

      @DM,

      I know, pretty wild! Good for Barry really. Regardless if you’re a fan of dividend investing, indexing or another strategy, hats off to him for making his retirement dreams come true and having some conviction for it all.

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